In this episode, Dr. Scott and Tommy discuss an interesting way to look at meals that have already been "eaten." By framing small psychological wins and using a common debt reduction strategy, they show you how to anchor to the emotional decision of using fasting as a tool to regain control and get long term results. Fake it till you make it, change your mind to change your life, and this time is going to be different. Let's dive in!
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Everyone, welcome to the Fasting for Life podcast. My name is Dr. Scott Watier and I am here. As always, is my good friend and colleague Tommy Welling once again. Good evening, sir. Hey, how are you, Scott? Rock and roll, man. Excited for tonight's episode. As things tend to happen pre recording when you drop this bomb in my lap earlier today, I was like, wait, wait. What. What am I. What am I reading? Wait. Thirty eight. This so confused because it was like to. I like to do that. Yeah. It was completely out of context like just random like drop into the message.
Oh yeah. No context. There was no preamble. Nothing, no explanation. Right.
No. No but it was impactful because then I started thinking about it and going back and forth a little bit and yet I think it's gonna be kind of the next step in the evolution and kind of how we would begin to to frame this for the long term, you know, as we continue to dive into the process and how to refine it and, you know, give you guys, the listeners and the people asking us for guidance and coaching and the Facebook group and all these different things that we have going on and all the feedback we're trying to find the common threads of of what y'all want. Right. Because we can get up here and talk about our story and, you know, research and all this stuff. But if it's not, you know what? You know what's going to make translate into action and transformation and long term results, which is the whole plan of this. Right. You know, to to dip into the fight against the calorie, you know, the move more eat less model. You know it just today, when you drop this to me, I was like, who? I don't know. I think this this might be like the opening of the barn door, so to speak.
Yeah. So. So in case you're wondering out there, I text Scott this morning and I said, quote, I already had this meal, end quote. That's all. That's all I said. So I waited a little bit and eventually text me back something like, wait, what does that mean? Right.
So I was thinking, did you break your fast? I thought you were fasting until Wednesday. I was like, wait a minute. I didn't get an invite. I was so angry. And then I'm like, wait, what does this mean?
Right. Yeah. And so followed up with a little explanation. So what I meant was. If we frame a fasted meal like we had already eaten it at some point in the past, it helps to kind of justify why we're skipping this meal. So whether we're talking to somebody else or we need it for our own explanation, reinforcement, it's a really helpful way to explain it.
So you explained it to me exactly that way. And I came back at you with a text message, blank stare, which was like a moment of about, oh, 15 or 20 minutes of silence because I still was not following the thought process, because it's such an AB, it's such the opposite way to frame things. It's it's such the opposite way because we're always looking at, like, calories in. Right. And how much expenditure, how much energy, how much effort can I can I burn off to make up the difference in getting a calorie deficit and so on and so forth. Right. On the on the hamster wheel, so to speak, without slowing down the metabolism. Right. So, like, I'm continually eating. So I'm continually adding what your first example, which really started to make it quick for me. And then the second one, which is impactful when you describe how you described it to your daughter. But the first one, I was like, OK.
So it's almost like I'm adding debt to the end of my loan.
All right. Let's say I've got a credit card in my car and I'll put gas on my credit card and then I don't pay off the gas. The end of the month. Now paying interest on the gas that I burned, like last week.
Yeah, I already had that road trip. Yeah. Can you clean that up a little bit? Because I'd love to. So the whole analogy came from when you're paying off debt. There's a really cool method, which is print out your old credit card statements, hang them up on the fridge. So whatever you're working on, let's say you're trying to pay down a thousand bucks. We'll go take that credit card statement or the little pieces that made it up and and post it. And so each time, instead of worrying about paying off the whole thousand, pay off the thirty seven dollars, you know, that you spend on a couple a DVD at Best Buy a few years back. Yes. So you know, or maybe hey, maybe it's even if VHS tapes or I don't know. Hey tracks. Yeah. Right. I don't know what else. I don't know how long you're holding onto that debt for, but it's time to get rid of it. And it's a good method to visualize why you're doing it, because you've already been enjoying whatever item it is that you bought. So make make that little bit of payoff tangible, make it real and make it connect back to something that had a connection to you.
So do the same thing with with the meal or with the calories. And it becomes really easy to justify skipping a dinner with family even if you're sitting around and enjoying it like I was with with Charlotte and Jan and Carson. You know, there were there were sitting there eating some supposedly it smelled delicious. Yeah. Last night. And I got in and Charlotte said, Dad, are you eating? And I said, No, Charlotte, I already had this meal. And and this isn't the first time I told her this, but this time I even, like, patted my belly. I said, no, it's right here. This meal is right here. I already had it. She said you already had Chipotle. I said, Well, no, no, not exactly. But, you know, a few years back, I already had this meal. It was it was extra. And so now I don't need to eat it again. And she said, oh, OK, that makes sense. So if you can make it make sense and connect for a three year old, you're on the simple path. You know, a very direct path.
It when you gave me the Charlotte example, I was like, are you smarter than a fifth grader now?
Now I get it. That's when you got it right. Yeah, I know. I got it a little bit with the whole dad thing. Right.
I threw the credit card analogy paying for gas and put it, you know, that whole thing. I was like, okay, I think I remember it. Yeah, but if we're talking about weight. Right. If we're talking about, you know, the incremental increase of four to eight pounds, you know, every holiday season, right.
From Halloween to New Year's birthdays, the celebrations, you know, so we're talking about 40 to 60, some 20 to 40. And the low end, 40 to 60 pounds of weight.
All right. As you age to the last four decades of life. The calories that they that you're attempting to get rid of weren't eight tracks. Right. They were like the light bulb, like the invention of electricity. They're from. Heck, yeah. Way back. Right. You know, like kerosene lamp time. Like we didn't even. Never mind. Like you had the ability. Yeah. So it's just crazy. They've been there for so long. So frame it like no irony. Eat this meal. I've got it here. It's mind mindblowing to me. I was just like, how have I never realized that before.
Yeah, I've had it. I still have it. I don't want it. I didn't need it then. But I definitely don't want it now. It's much worse than it was back then. Yeah. I don't need it.
Go back to the college days. You have the Taco Bell. Fourth meal, the late night here. Jason, if Jason in Florida, if you're listen to this, the fourth or.
Camiel got me every time, but I don't need the fourth meal result ten years from now, like I got married, I've got kids, you know. You know, I'm a.. Dad bod. You know, I'm trying to get out of that. Like I know. Yeah, that's great. So, again, no, I don't I don't want the fourth meal anymore. Right. It's interesting if you're trying to make a decision. I was just thinking this on the fine. Tell me if this from a psychological standpoint, if it if it matches the same framework or same mindset. But I was just thinking like, well, now if I'm about to indulge in something like that, I should think about like, oh, the fourth meal. I'm going to have that for decades from now. It's still going to be around my midsection. Maybe I should do this and maybe I should stick to my fasting schedule and, you know, go home and eat something that's healthier or just continue to fast until my next meal is ready.
Absolutely. That that's a perfect example. And it's the same thing they do for credit counseling. So once you get out of debt, then the trick and the mastery of it, just like we talk about, is changing habits so that you're set up for future success. And so what you need to do once you're out of debt, you're at the zero point, OK? Every time you're going to make a buying decision later, stop and think it's just a stop and think moment. And it's really easy. And all you do is visualize yourself. OK. In a month from now or a year from now, will I be happy that I traded those dollars for this item? Same thing for the calories. Is this is this a good trade? Is this a meal that I want? Or is this one that I'm going to regret and make the decision like that?
I think the way you framed it, too, is we're building in wins. So through the framework we're building in, you know, small wins or small psychological victories where it's like it's not about letting willpower dictate because willpower is dictated by hormones. Hormone meaning insulin. Insulin, satiety hormones like the ones that make you feel full and the fake ones that make you feel like you're hungry, right?
Yeah. Emotion day to day, your your drive to work. I mean, you know, your willpower is going to be so volatile. So if you're basing your year these important decisions on your willpower, you've already stacked all the chips against you.
So framing it this way, then we're building in those winds, right? We're building in those cycle those little mini psychological victories. Right. So I think you mentioned when you dropped the bomb on me. And one of our conversations today, Philip, we talk a lot on Tuesday. It's probably because we recorded podcasts most, right? Yeah. You were saying something about you can frame it the same way when you hit a new low. Like a victory when you when you get like a new low weight for the first time that you've hit a weight in Mike. Yeah. Or since the wedding or since your last vacation or whatever it is.
Yeah. So let's say let's say you're starting off at 300 pounds and you really want to be at 200. Well. One way to to frame each step along the way. You know, you got a couple of different methods that you can use, but one of them that that works really well is thinking about when you actually went above that weight for the first time.
And so when you established that new high weight, that new high watermark. So let's say you just crossed 250 pounds. Well, when did you first get to two hundred and fifty pounds? So if that was six years ago, then then you just made a six year victory. You just undid six years worth of weight gain. And that's a huge victory. You should take a minute to celebrate that. You should. You should realize it and make it real cemented in your mind and let it propel you to, you know, even the next pound. The next pound may have just been, you know, another week or something like that. But another five pounds might have been a whole nother year that you stayed pretty much at that weight. So it's just it's good to go back. If you have any weight charts, like I know that that helped you during your journey, used to go back and pull those old weights. And I went back to some of my old apps to see exactly when I crossed over certain lines so I could say I'm at a seven year low. That's that's huge because I had never done that before.
And it took me three, six, nine, 12 months to get there. And I've kept it off or continued to go down for three, six, nine or 12 months after. Yeah, right. So when I think about this and you're like, yeah, when's the last time? So if I was on my my heaviest up to well back in the powerlifting days, I was close to 260 at one point, but it was, you know, 20 inch arms and a twenty two inch neck. So it was like, you know, a big old belly, but everything else was bigger as well.
Yeah. To be able to carry those out with stones right now.
Right. Right. But other than that, my highest when I wasn't in that phase that year to phase when I was doing that type of lifting and eating like forty five hundred calories a day and three bags of frozen chicken breast a week anyway. It was like to forty five to forty three point seven actually. So on my way up to 60 I was like oh to forty three was a stopping point at one point. Right. No. On your. So the roller coaster, the Yo-Yo which is the up down, up, down, up, down. So on the latest uptick, when you pass a mile marker or you pass something like, oh yeah, I went on vacation, I was able to work my butt off for six months to get down to to twenty five and I felt decent. Right. And then when I got back I was back to two thirty two and then I started to tick up again. So it's like that those things, those life events that you have an emotional connection to, you know, is really framing it through the way you're talking about.
But then also realize that like there's an emotion that comes with that. So when you make a decision, there's only when you make a decision to make a big change. Right. There's always an emotional connection to do that. Right. Right. Like, there's there's some type of emotion, like you talked to any sales. I'm not good at sales. If you talk to any salesperson, it's it's getting you to an emotional state where you're gonna make a decision. Right. Sometimes you need to get push there. If it's in terms of your health and you're like you've been following a certain model for decades and it's not working, sometimes you need to like have, you know, kind of a little wake up call. Right. Taking that emotional connection to that that new low that you haven't had since the event, since the high school, since you haven't worn a thirty six pant and whatever it was. Right now, I mean, that is huge and it's the opposite. It's almost like the opposite of what we're programmed to do.
And it's opposite of the whole. Eat less, move more kind of thing where you're you're looking at these tiny little little increments and tiny little wins that you're trying to keep up and you're trying to go. And so let let's ignore the fact that the science just doesn't work. The insulin is going to keep those set points up higher. But even even if that did work, you only have 10 or 15 pounds to lose. Maybe those winds are so tiny and you need to stack them up so closely together for so long that it's. That's when willpower comes in and you have your next slip up or date night or something else. You just you just say No one too many times and you go, now, it's OK. I'm just gonna go ahead and live tonight. And then when when you tick backwards just a little bit on the scale, then it becomes a little bit harder to keep pushing forward. And then that's usually where we go off the rails with what the traditional eat less move more diet.
And not to say that eat less, move more doesn't work short term because there's a lot of studies that show that. Right. But they also don't take into account people that have metabolic syndrome and some resistance, you know, a decrease in sun sensitivity, things that are undiagnosed by your standard testing. So, yeah, if you're not getting the results and it's not showing up on a test yet. OK, well, let's look at the easiest way to create a clague deficit and reprogram your habits.
Yeah. Even like, you know, as small as 30 to 40 pounds that you need to lose, that you're above an ideal weight for your body size. That's enough to have a level of insulin resistance that's going to make it really, really difficult to stack up those winds with eat less, move more. You're really going to have to shift over to a time, a time basis instead of a small calorie deficit for your for your diet technique.
Right. And that's the thing. The more you do it and the more you end up in the same place, the less likely you're going to do it again. You know, it's like that that probably bastardized cliche quoted friendship is insanity. Yeah. You do the same thing over and over again, I and I. Yeah. You knew where I was going with that, so I did it. Yeah. It's just it's it's in the. And I don't want to go to. I don't go down this rabbit hole all the way. I don't take the red pill in this moment, but I think we should make a whole episode conversation around the change your mind change your life concept and that most of the plans fail because they're at the center of your life. Where fasting allows you to put life at the center and then live your life with the plan while still getting these small wins along the way. The programmed in these psychological wins. Yeah. So you can still get the drastic change without having to completely restrict. Oh, trend change. You know, because nobody likes to change. So, you know, nobody nobody likes to do all of the dirty work on the eat less, move more. Right after the first 30, 60 days, you hit your first plateau and boom, it blows up. So, yeah, I think framing it this way just reiterates and re you know, puts another layer of insulation there that, you know, the life should be at the center and then the plan, which is fasting and how to use that timing to your your advantage layered with this. You know, I already had this meal mindset like it. It's just it's amazing. And I just love where it's going. That's awesome. I think I think we should jump into an action step. What do you think? Yeah, I was I was actually about to chat you because you're usually drop and I read your mind up so well.
So I was just thinking, what what can we do to take some action right here? So I think this would be a good point because, you know, you may have downloaded the Fast Start guide.
You may have gotten it today. You may have gotten it a month ago, may have gotten to four months ago. And I don't know if you took action on it or not. Only you know that. But it's it's time to ask you. It's time to ask yourself if you didn't take action on it, why not? And are you ready to now finally take some action? So we have the mini master class, which we didn't have at the very beginning. So if you needed a little more explanation, we have it. Go get it. But I think a good action step now besides just just reading. Yeah. Re-engage in going back to to where you were at that moment when you decided to download the fast AKA. I didn't get started would be even if you didn't take any action on it, just take your first step, even if you don't really feel 100 percent comfortable. You heard that that motto before. Just act as if. Fake it till you make it. Just take the first step and just fake it till you make it. Just do one step and then go from there because you do that. Take the first step, get a win or two under your belt. And it's it's going to keep getting easier with each step along the way.
Like drop. That's it. That's it. I'm done, sir. All right. Have a good night. You, too.
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