Ep. 22 - Insulin, Blood Sugar, Disease Prevention | Sleep Apnea, PCOS, Triglycerides, Cardiovascular Disease, Atherosclerosis | Live Challenge Experience | Customized Intermittent and Extended Fasting Plan

28 Days to Greatness | Hyperinsulinemic? | What to do instead

In this episode, Dr. Scott and Tommy reveal a BIG announcement that they have been working on for months! Listen in for details on the Fasting For Life Experience that starts on Friday, June 12, 2020.

Go to www.thefastingforlife.com/live for details.

The conversation in the episode dives into the "hyperinsulinemic syndrome," which is a broad category that encompasses many metabolic and disease processes. Obvious as with Type II diabetes, there is a direct link to insulin and blood sugar related issues. The indication, however, is that insulin is linked to many other conditions such as atherosclerosis, PCOS, sleep apnea, elevated triglycerides, and cardiovascular diseases. True health is in the prevention of disease and not the management of it. By removing the source of the problem we can achieve better lives through improved long-term health.


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Hello, I'm Dr. Scott Watier. And I'm Tommy Welling, and you're listening to the Fasting for Life podcast.

This podcast is about using fasting as a tool to regain your health, achieve ultimate wellness and live the life you truly deserve.

Each episode is a short conversation on a single topic with immediate, actionable steps. We cover everything from fat loss and health and wellness to the science of lifestyle design.

We started fasting for life because of how fasting has transformed our lives, and we hope to share the tools that we have learned along the way.

Hey, everyone, welcome to the Fasting for Life podcast. My name is Dr. Scott Watier. I'm here, as always, a good friend and colleague, Tommy Welling. Good evening to you, sir. Hey, Scott, how's it going? Rock and roll, man. We have some exciting news tonight. I can't believe that we're actually going to utter the words that are going to be said in the next four or five minutes. But how do you think we should drop this? You're laughing. But really, what do I think age? Should we just drop it? What do we do? Angela, carry what you under here. I like that. Drum roll. Can we try? Drumroll. Go ahead. Oh, that's that's pretty good. I wonder if that's going to come through. I hope it does. So we've been talking about this. If you've been with us on this journey, feels like, you know, coming up on about a year of the fasting journey for for myself and a little bit, you know, coming up in a year and a half for you. And we've been doing this podcast since January. So just shout out to all you guys who've been following us on this journey with us, all of you, all the listeners. We're just in awe of how much positive feedback there is and communication and questions and ratings and reviews and just really the volume of people that we're reaching to. So we're just blessed and honored to be able to continue to talk to y'all on a weekly basis. But with that being said, Tommy, what is the announcement for this evening?

The announcement is that after painstaking hours and dedicated work, we finally put together what we've been talking about for months and months. I buried it. Go ahead.

Fasting for life experience, 28 days of transformation. And not to use that word lightly, because we've seen this happening with our one on one clients behind the scenes.

But with our previous experience and our successes, with our previous challenges, we have upped the game by filling in the holes and providing more access, more accountability, more reach ability, more education, more tools. And over the next 28 days, we are going to see some amazing things take place.

Yeah. And you know what I'm most excited about? It starts with the plan. At the very beginning, what you're gonna get is a customized plan designed to take you from exactly wherever you're starting. Point is now today to exactly where you want to go, even if it's going to take longer than 28 days. That's fine. You're going to have a plan to get to the finish line. Every single person in the experience is gonna have that.

So one of the reasons why we limited to twenty five people in registration is open. So you can find a link on our Facebook page. You can find in the podcast app so you can find it on our Web site. You know, we've limited it because of the customization. So we realize the only way to get the results that you all are looking for is to really be one on one. And we're going to use technology to our advantage. So you're gonna get twenty eight emails, one every single day with an action step with information, with a touch, point with some of the accountability. One of the closed Facebook group we're gonna have live Q&A is you're gonna get access to Ostrer going to get a 15 minute discovery call or coaching call. Just there's so much in here. But that customization that you're talking about is really one of the limiting factors here. So we're excited that we're gonna be able to customize this plan for each and every person's life based on their level of experience, exposure, goals. And like you said, Tom, if it takes more than 30 days, guess what? What can they log into on our Web site?

Yeah, they can absolutely log in, go back, replay the video modules again and again. Any weak points you have. Go back and review. Take the quizzes again. Send us comments. Questions were there for you and you're gonna have your plan. You're gonna be able to go back and access it, as well as all of the countless downloadable digital resources that we're going to include in the experience as well.

I think the two things that I love the most is that we're gonna have the course built out with those four weekly modules. But you're also gonna get the accountability of the Facebook group.

And I love hopping on a Facebook live.

Like, I don't know what it is about live, but it's just something different than prerecording, right? So the Facebook Live Q&A, is it going to do? And just building off of the experience of other people, too. You know, we didn't get here by ourselves. You know, you helped me. Yeah. You know, you had influences on your way with Dr. Fong's info and whatnot. And just it's just, you know, it's been a long time coming. But we and I honestly, I don't know if we're gonna do this event again because of the amount of time, effort and energy and not to be, oh, woe is me, because we love this stuff. This is why we're doing it. But it's been a lot of work. Right. So we don't know if we're going to do this. Then again, probably one or two times a year. But the fasting for life experience is live registrations open. And we're gonna we're gonna limit it to twenty five. To make sure that we get that, not touch those touch points. Not accountability.

Yeah, absolutely. So are extremely excited. Awesome. All right. Let's get into tonight's episode.

I really want to dive into the research. So we've gotten away from Tommy based on your input. You were like, yeah, I feel like we've gotten away from the research quite a bit because we we did a lot of that in the beginning. And I think that was just us finding our footing, right?

Yeah. I mean, there's there's a lot of ground to cover. We wanted to cover a lot of the good science in there. And then we kept getting some good questions, too. And, you know, they didn't necessarily need a heavy science conversation to go along with them. But you know what I feel like we wanted to address was some of the science, but not necessarily with regards to just wait in jail.

So we want to go healthwise. Right. Right. And again, a lot of it is, you know, typically people come and find fasting because of weight related issues. But, yeah, it's so much more than that. So you're mentioning I can't even go on a research, you know, episode. Right. And it's not going to be too crazy, don't I? It's just one article that's pretty eye opening. And it really, you know, I don't remember where you found this, but you said it to me. It's really hard to see the frame when you're in the middle of the picture. Yeah. Yeah. So when we look at this research article, right. That if that was found in the journal surgery in August 2014 and it's hyper insulin niemiec syndrome, the metabolic syndrome is broader than you think. And when we look at, you know, just kind of the overview of the article, it's looking at the presence or absence of a list of medical conditions that are directly related to insulin resistance. Right. So where are we? Everybody talks about blood sugar and glucose. Now we're talking about insulin and insulin resistance.

Yeah, and and they're not they're not always just the same thing. They're not just interchangeable.

They're they're two different things. Obviously, they're related. As your blood sugar goes up, your insulin has to come up in response to that. Your pancreas wants to clear out the excess sugar, but your insulin resistance builds over time. And you can have that. You don't have to be overweight to be insulin resistant. You can't just look at somebody and tell if they're insulin resistant. And we have all of these other comorbidities that go along with it. And we're talking about cardiovascular disease. We're talking about sleep apnea, polycystic ovarian syndrome, dyslipidemia, where you have elevated blood lipids and triglycerides, just a host of other things. And then we, you know, we get into cancer and neurological disorders, Parkinson's and Alzheimer's and Álex, Lou Gehrig's disease.

The list goes on, but I don't want to give too much away just yet.

So we pretty much just listed the entire list of comorbidities that was in the conclusion of the article. Right. So I didn't say why. Now, you gave it all away, but that's fine. So I like it. I like I like your style.

So really, the conclusion that hit me was, you know, this leads this is just straight from the articles.

This leads us to propose that the concept of hyper insulin, anemic syndrome and question the safety of insulin is a chronic therapy for patients with Type two diabetes mellitus. So we talk a lot about weight in diabetes, right.

Because that's your standard operating procedure, your standard image of what someone that would have in some resistance or blood sugar related problems and would lead to the comorbidities or the or the other conditions that kind of go hand-in-hand with that, like the heart diseases and the cardiovascular issues, which really is why most patients that have severe diabetes dies because of the complications from the disease, not from the diabetes itself.

Right. Right.

So, you know, really trying to frame this in a way that makes everyone think a little bit differently about the people that they have in their corner, helping them manage any of the things that you listed in terms of the conditions that you mentioned. Right.

So I don't want to list them off again. Right. But one of the big ones that stood out to me was the polycystic ovarian syndrome, her ovary syndrome, because my wife works with you know, she specializes in natural alternative to, you know, IVF therapy and the patients that she sees.

She helps them plan their family through, you know, through struggling with fertility, et cetera. And one of the biggest things that she talks about in her first console is the nutritional side of how polycystic ovarian syndrome is directly linked to high levels of insulin. Right. You know, like I'm reading this list going, oh, wait, that's that's my wife's practice.

And then I'm thinking over here like, oh, diabetes. Okay, that's my diet. Okay, wait. Yeah. Okay. Those make sense. But then I'm thinking like sleep apnea. Wait, what. Oh, wait. Yeah. Now when you go and you look back and open up the, you know, physiology books, the AP book and you're like, oh, there it is. There's a connection point. Right.

We don't want to come at it from that level, which, you know, honestly would be really boring and too intense for me, even though I like the science literally.

It's a OK if you're dealing with these issues and there's a cascade of metabolic things that can take place when you have high levels of insulin. What are the people that you're going to see in terms of your specialist and your doctors actually doing for it?

Yeah. So getting back to what you said about being hard to see the picture frame when you're in the middle of the picture. You know what you could also say there is sometimes you you miss the forest for the trees. Right. Like, you're so focused on one small aspect. Let's say you're going to see a specialist regarding polycystic ovarian syndrome. Well, are they necessarily looking for insulin resistance or are they looking for, you know, some other more? Or typical or highly talked about, you know, hormonal issue.

I me tell me something I want to. I want to hop in never second, cause something you just said, like, really stood out for me. I don't normally like to just be like, hey, stop.

Right. We're talking about a very specific thing with polycystic ovarian syndrome. Right. But it's all based on the same.

So the ones that are like more, you know, seen in most everybody would be the hypertension, high blood pressure, the dyslipidemia, the high cholesterol. Right. And the hog arteries and cardiovascular disease.

Right. Right. Right. So. It applies to all of these, but it's it's the main mechanistic reductionistic model that when you go to see a specialist, they're breaking it down into these smaller and smaller compartments and components that if you treat the end result or that final component that you can find. Right, you're treating the symptom. You're actually not getting to the underlying cause of it.

Yeah, yeah. So if your question is how do we get rid of these these little cysts?

You're not addressing what may be causing the cysts, which absolutely could be hyper insula anaemia.

It's it's correlated so heavily that every study that we look at talks about hyper insulin, nimia was found in these patients. I believe in in the review article. Every single one of them are all but one of them had a hypertensive anemia as well.

Yeah. And that's something my wife sees, too, is that it's it's OK. We're going to change your nutrition.

And then we're also going to put you on some supplements that will increase your insulin sensitivity and help stabilize your blood sugar. Right. Which is all part of it. And when we look at, you know, the hypertension or high blood pressure and the high cholesterol, those are the two most prescribed medications in the country.

Right. So. What if and I think you said this to me, too, is what if we just. Went to our doc and said, OK. Hey, how long do I have to be on this blood pressure medication for?

And most docs will say, well, you know, you can probably monitor it through lifestyle and dietary changes. Right.

Lower your sodium, lower your stress is. Is the typical recommendation. Right.

Right. So if we know that all of these things and we're not saying that Ensign resistance is the cure all for everything. Right. Like that would be dumb. Right. But if there is a connection, a blatant connection between the presence of high insulin and all of these other issues, then why not try a conservative course of just simply changing when you eat?

Yeah. When you eat with the goal being try try having your insulin levels low, lower than normal, lower than you've ever had them in the past. And then just keeping them low for an extended period of time or getting them lower and keeping it there regularly for a while.

Monitor your symptoms, monitor your blood pressure, whatever it is that you're dealing with while keeping the insulin levels lower than you have typically in the past. Just making a conscious effort there and seeing if you have a positive reaction in your in your therapy or in your in your sleep, you measure your blood pressure for days, right?

Mm hmm. Because what's gonna happen?

You're gonna clear out your insulin. You're gonna clear out all your excess water.

You're going to have a large diuretic effect. You're going to notice that your ankles are less swollen. Your blood pressure is almost always going to go down a little bit.

Right now, there's other things, you know, if you're on other medications or, you know, there's other things there that can that can obviously affect it.

But in most cases, you're going to see that positive change. Never mind. You're just going to stink and feel better. And we've said a bad word. You're just going to feel better.

Right. Like, so it's it's when we're looking at this.

I almost get frustrated in that, you know, you look at the standard medical. Schooling out there, and they might get an hour or two of nutrition. So there's just not. The system is not set up to handle these conversations. So I know I've had people that have come, you know, that I've been coaching through this and, you know, taking them through the program that we've created. And, you know, they've had conversations with their doctor, with the like. Well, no, he told me that X, Y and Z I can't do fasting because of these three things. And even to the point of, like, you know, no, you could actually hurt yourself, right. By by developing ketoacidosis and all these other side effects. And, you know, extremely low blood sugars and all of these things which. There's not a such a cause for concern where you almost get like this level of pushback. That makes you just want to quit. And I've heard this from so many people where going in and almost challenging them in a positive way of saying, hey, I'm willing to take control right back and simplify my life by removing the food. And what I feel is the cause of a lot of my issues, specifically in terms of diabetes and obesity, but also blood pressure and high cholesterol and cardiovascular disease and, you know, atherosclerosis and all of these other things, cancers and polycystic PCOS is and, you know, fatty liver disease, non-alcoholic fatty liver disease, all these different things is just saying, hey, I, I'm going to try this. Right. And maybe you even have to have this conversation unless it's brought up and you just do it. Right. And just just a crazy thought. Right. You know, I always have to say talk to your doctor first. But then I also want to say, well, if you're not getting the support, you need the need to find somebody that's willing to support you or just do it. Right. And, you know, start timing your meals a little bit differently and see what the numbers say in three or six months.

Yeah. You know, you can you can always start small. If if if you didn't want to just jump into it, let's say a seven day fast. OK, well, you how about just starting skipping breakfast and then and then maybe go to one meal a day. And, you know, start there, see how you feel. I bet you probably feel a little bit better. You might want to push it even a little bit more. And, you know, by the time you got to that point, you would you would have much more confidence to walk into the doctor's office and, you know, tell him or her what you've been experimenting with and how you've been feeling.

And they're probably not going to give you nearly as much pushback at that point.

Let's take a step back, too, because we've just got a little bit heavier at the I'm just sitting here thinking I'm like, OK, if this if this episode is not about the weight and obesity. Right.

It's about health. And if insulin is connected to all of these other comorbidities and different issues and pathways and imbalances and whatnot, why wouldn't anyone not use fasting as a tool outside of specific type one diabetes pregnancies? Give us a little grace here. And we don't know all of these specific conditions that you shouldn't fast with, like kids. Right. OK. Right. Don't have your three year old fast. Got it. All right. Whatever. Even though online dating, even though mine inherently does that. Or if you're pregnant. OK, great. But for the majority of people, why. Why not put fasting, which is a tried and true technique. It's, you know, majority of religions out there. It's been a part of for thousands of years, like just put this in and then try it for, let's say, 28 days. Let's say a month. Give it a week even. Just go day to day and say, you know what, I do see the benefit with this because what I want is health and not the normal progression that happens with insulin resistance that's undiagnosed. We're going to talk about testing in just a second. I don't want to forget is the progression goes from insulin resistance, which really is and is undiagnosed to prediabetes, to metabolic syndrome, to type two diabetes, to heart disease, to Alzheimer's, to cancer. Right. And everybody kind of goes through that process at a different pace because there are parallel issues, right, that are going on like hormone problems, weight issues, digestive issues, stress problems that are going to make everybody kind of present differently. But if we know the connection point that in high levels of insulin. Right. Or this new condition that they're trying to diet, come up with this hyper insulin mimic.

Right. Syndrome. So let's just take a step back and start with, like you said, skipping breakfast or let's just go right to one meal a day. Yeah.

One meal a day is is so simple and you don't have to worry about losing out on nutrients.

You can have a very nutritious one meal a day. You can even have plenty of calories in one meal a day. Take your multivitamin with it. You can have a whole lot of confidence in one meal a day, but most people will feel better than they ever have if they've never taken a step back and control the timing of their meal. It it just may blow you away how good you feel doing it.

And the problem with the testing, too, is. And so we've got our experience right. Fasting for life experience. It's life. We're doing it. It's gonna be frigging amazing.

But the next thing is then, OK, where's our clinical, like, metabolic experience that goes along with it? Right. So I know I can. The people listening can't see your face. And you're like, why are you saying this now? So we this is the next step is putting together the testing and all of those different types of things actually say, OK, here's everything you need. If this is what you're looking for right now, standard operating procedure in a doctor's offices. OK. We'll do a fasting glucose tolerance test, a fasting glucose test, whatever you want to call it. We'll do a lipid panels if the triglycerides are high. We'll do an HBK one. See? That's looking at glucose. That's looking at high triglycerides, where for me personally, my triglycerides were nine hundred at one point when I got my life insurance test done right.

Years back, I was like 15 percent body fat. I was 250 plus pounds. I had a couple of abs going on, like I wasn't fat and overweight. I just was like really big and bulky and muscular. And I had 20 inch neck and 20 plus inch biceps like.

Like just like I'm going to say this meat haddish, right?

When the guy who's doing the life insurance looks at me and goes, well, like you have cowboy boots so we can get you a little taller rather than wider. Yeah. I'm like, yeah, I do. So we did that and it came back and they're like, your body weight, your body mass index, blah, blah, blah, you're higher here. And then this curve ball was like all of a sudden my liver enzymes are off of my truck. Those rides were high and my wife took this to her friend and they were just talking to Jim or like tax cuts. I just guys came back in like nine hundred. And the girl the woman who talked to my wife was like, what is he eating that you don't know about? Like, he's eating, like fast food and like like pizza every day. And on my right. No, I'm eating the macros that she programmed for me. Yeah. Right. And I was using you of injecting bacon into your veins and I'm like, what do you mean? I'm like, no, no, no, I'm not. So a lot of these things are related, but you're gonna get the you're gonna get the outside like, you know, that whole if you're you know, it's hard to see the frame when you're in the middle of the picture.

So you're seeing a specialist that's specializing in one small piece. But are we looking at the whole picture? So the true thing is to do is using the testing for fasting insulin or shearim insulin to give you an idea of kind of where you're at in terms of your resistance.

Yeah. So, you know, if we want to get at insulin resistance, you're going to need to be fasted. You're going to need to be looking at blood glucose and serum insulin at the same time over a couple of hours during a glucose challenge test. That's that's gonna be that's gonna be your your marker for insulin resistance. But then even those results are going to need to be interpreted correctly, too.

Right. And that's why one of these things is like, OK, we honestly admit, like, this has been a journey.

You know, I was doing all of these tests and I did a Dutch test and it showed that it wasn't any of the other things. We thought it was what had to come back to blood sugar.

But my tests were still in the normal range and we were about to order the insulin right test. And this is why I started fasting and everything just changed like overnight. It was like boom. And my numbers started to balance out. So at this point right now, not having all the answers or knowing where to tell people to go, like I'm confident and saying, just start. Today, space out your meals and start thinking a little bit differently when you have those conversations, those critical conversations with the doctors and the people that are in your corner that are supposedly helping you get healthier rather than moving down this cardio metabolic pathway of insulin resistance, which is related to all of these other issues that this study in the Journal of Surgery says we should probably look at insulin, not everything else.

Yeah. And, you know, because when insulin comes up with all of these comorbidities, that's that's pretty telling.

There's probably a reason for that.

You know, and to get back to what you just said about. Timing your meals, spacing them out. You know, you hear a lot of people talk about other ways to get insulin low and you might even get some resistance if you're if you're telling somebody, hey, I'm thinking about fasting. They might say, well, you don't have to you don't have to just stop eating. You could do something like, why don't you do Kito? Why don't you do low carb, something like that. You know, those are those are half measures.

They're not going to get your insulin levels low, like intermittent or extended fasting will.

Oh, my God. Like you're speaking to my soul because I did all of those with short term results, but ended up back in the same spot again.

Sure. And that's pretty typical because depending on your level of insulin resistance, I mean, the more resistant you are, the longer you need to keep insulin levels as low as possible, like near zero levels for that much longer to see to see results. It takes a lot of time to become insulin resistant. That's why, you know, we keep saying it's not necessarily about the weight. You can't you can't just look at somebody and say, oh, that person's insulin resistant or they're not. You can't because it's an insidious it's a long term problem. It takes time to develop and you don't necessarily have to be overweight to be insulin resistance. So it takes time to correct. And the insulin levels need to stay as low as possible for a long period of time to start correcting that.

And that happens with fasting. Yeah.

And it simply is that it's not us. That's the answer. It's not what we're talking about.

It's literally just, you know, fasting, you know, and like that's that's the simplicity of it. When I read Dr. Fong's book Back in the day, you're like, I read this and I was like, whoa, OK. Yeah, this makes sense. So. I don't think I can talk anymore anymore about that research article this evening, my brain kind of hurts like a lie, but I feel good about. I feel good about the idea that. With the right Y and the right application to, you know, for each individual out there, like thinking about, you know, how you're going to take this and apply it. Is honestly is gonna be weird, but forget about all of the details we just said. And just to take home messages, it's not about the weight. It's about the health.

And if insulin's connected to all of these other possible metabolic syndromes and disorders and conditions, then, you know, if I'm out there listening, I'd say, OK, well, this is something I need to be doing, just like taking my supplements or working out or decreasing my stress or staying hydrated, because it's an important part of maintaining overall health.

Yeah, I mean, I feel like I feel like it doesn't it doesn't matter where you're starting from, but you should be looking at could could I have. Could I have an undiagnosed insulin resistance? Has anyone ever talked about that? When I was in a consult or in a doctor's office, has anyone ever tested me for that? Could that be part of the underlying issue? Have I ever done any bit of fasting? You know, to get at that problem and then taken a look at my symptoms along the way, you know? So I mean, I think that that leads us right into where I would recommend an action step here. I would say. If you know, no matter if you have five pounds to lose or 100 or zero and you know, you're on a medication that you don't want to be on or you just don't quite feel right, and you think it might have something to do with, you know, the way you've eaten over time or or just how your body just feels. Just think about. What what it could mean if you walked in to your doctor's office and looked uncovered, the rock for insulin resistance, started asking those questions and started going down that path to see if if maybe that starts to get at the issues. And while you're there, while you're doing that, think about if you had a plan for the next 28 days, what would that look like if you knew exactly where you wanted to go and you had the support system for it? What what could that mean for your life starting now and 28 days from now and then going into the rest of your life?

And I think.

I don't think you're out. Action stuff could be any more outpoll applicable to the timing of the of the fasting five experience. And this was not planned. This just kind of came on organically.

Yeah. But like you once. I only want to take it one step farther is is if we're talking about health, health, the only way to stay healthy is to prevent stuff from happening. Because once you have the condition and it's really hard to fix it. Right. Like, here's your blood pressure medication. Well, how long do I have to be on this? Well, here's your high cholesterol medication. What are my numbers look like? We already know that lowering that stuff long term is not healthy. Right. So how do we how do we stay healthy? Well, we prevent. US from ever ending up in that little column of having the certain condition or problem that then needs management writing. So if we're looking at people that might be struggling with this, some of these things that have been mentioned, you know, in related to insulin resistance and this new hypertensive, anemic syndrome. Right. The metabolic syndrome related to insulin. You know, really, it's even if you aren't even close to any of these things. Right. It's it's how do we prevent ever from getting there? Well, let's take some daily steps. Right. So over the next 28 days, take one small, actionable step every day and you are now moving away from everything we've talked about related to this, you know, this this research study. And you're moving back towards health and balance.

And it's as simple as one day in one meal at a time. Absolutely. Cool. Well, SACEUR, thank you.

I've I think I'm actually starting to learn to land the plane. What just happened there? I was crazy. So, you know, you've been paying attention. Lots to listen back and see. And I just realized I was really far away from the microphone.

So hopefully, hopefully that that landed correctly. So fasting for life experience. Next 28 days. Click the link in the episode description and also go ahead and click the orange button that says, yes, I'm ready to transform or I am ready to transform the big arnd button that's on there. Click the button. We'll see it on on the inside and Tommy. We'll talk soon. See you.

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